US and the climate talks in Bali, Indonesia

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You might know already about the conferecen going on in Bali - just thought that you might be interested in reading this.
Another thing that this article doesn't mention, it is that Canada and Japan are now acused of banding together with US to not sign the new agreement in Bali. The acusation comes from Avaaz, as per theis statement: "Avaaz.org is a community of global citizens who take action on the major issues facing the world today."
This is the post from their website: "Climate negotiations in Bali are in crisis. Things were looking good till now: near-consensus on a delicate deal, including 2020 targets for rich countries, in return for which China and the developing world would do their part over time. IPCC scientists have said such targets are needed to prevent catastrophe. But Japan, the US and Canada are banding together to wreck the deal, and the rest of the world is starting to waver... " http://www.avaaz.org/en/

Bitter Divisions at Climate Talks - NY Times

By THOMAS FULLER and ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
Published: December 14, 2007

NUSA DUA, Indonesia — Amid growing frustration with the United States in deadlocked negotiations at a United Nations conference on global warming, the European Union threatened Thursday to boycott separate talks proposed by the Bush administration in Hawaii next month.
Humberto Rosa, the chief delegate from Portugal, which holds the rotating presidency of the European Union, said the talks to be hosted by the Bush Administration in Hawaii in January would be “meaningless” if there was no deal this week here at the conference on the resort island of Bali.

Germany’s environment minister, Sigmar Gabriel, told reporters here, “No result in Bali means no Major Economies Meeting.” He was referring to the formal name of the proposed American-sponsored talks.

The goal of the Bali meeting, which is being attended by delegates from 190 countries and which is scheduled to end Friday, is to reach agreement on a “roadmap” for a future deal to reduce greenhouse gases.

The escalating bitterness between the European Union and United States came as former Vice President Al Gore told delegates in a speech that “my own country, the United States, is principally responsible for obstructing progress here in Bali.”

Mr. Gore arrived at the conference from Norway, where he received the Nobel Peace Prize along with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for their work in helping to alert the world to the danger of global warming. He urged delegates to agree an open-ended deal here that could be enhanced after the Bush Administration leaves office and United States policy changes.

“Over the next two years the United States is going to be somewhere it is not now,” Mr. Gore said to loud applause. “You must anticipate that.”

There appears to be broad consensus among delegates here that a new agreement on climate change should be ready by 2009, in time to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, the current agreement that limits emissions by all wealthy countries except the United States, which signed the Kyoto agreement but has refused to adopt it. But gaping differences remain between countries over how to share the burden of switching away from types of energy that contribute to global warming.

The United States and the European Union remain at odds on many major points, including whether an agreement signed here should include numerical targets, a move that the United States and a few other countries, including Russia, oppose.

The emerging economic powers, most notably China and India, also refuse to accept limits on their emissions, despite projections that they will soon become the dominant sources of the gases.

“I’m very concerned about the pace of things,” Yvo de Boer, the executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, which is playing host to the meeting, said Thursday.

The United Nations released fresh data Thursday confirming what it called the planet’s continued and alarming warming.

The 10 years ending in 2007 were the warmest on record, said Michel Jarraud, the secretary general of the World Meteorological Organization, a United Nations agency, citing data taken since the late 1800s from a global network of weather stations, ships and buoys.

“It’s very likely the warmest period for at least the last 1,000 or 1,300 years,” he told reporters.

The data did not surprise scientists — every recent decade has been warmer than the previous one — but in releasing the numbers here the agency hoped to spur the 190 deadlocked governments into reaching a deal that would set a deadline for a global climate change agreement.

Disagreements exist across a wide range of issues and between numerous blocs of countries but the United States has come under especially strong criticism here by countries rich and poor and by its own domestic critics.

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Delegates here have seen two faces of America: the cautious negotiators who have sought to water down the more ambitious goals of the European Union, and the more activist voices from people like Mr. Gore, and Michael Bloomberg, the New York City mayor who gave a speech on the sidelines of the conference.

In an interview Thursday, Mr. Bloomberg criticized both the Bush administration and Congress for not being aggressive enough in addressing global warming.

“There’s a belief that the United States should not do anything until all the other governments are willing to go along and do it at the same time,” Mr. Bloomberg said. “We should be doing this regardless of whether the world is following or not.”

The World Meteorological Organization said Thursday that the world’s average surface temperature had risen by .74 degrees Celsius, or 1.33 degrees Fahrenheit, since the start of the 20th century. To laymen that may seem like a modest rise, but scientists consider it alarming in the context of historical shifts in temperature.

The difference between temperatures today and an ice age is only 5 or 6 degrees Celsius (9 or 10.8 Fahrenheit), according to Mr. Jarraud of the World Meteorological Organization.

Several weeks ago, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nation’s leading scientific body on the topic, released its gloomy assessment of warming that is being cited by European delegates here as a clarion call. Climate change was “unequivocal,” the report concluded.

“Average Northern Hemisphere temperatures during the second half of the 20th century were very likely higher than during any other 50-year period in the last 500 years and likely the highest in at least the past 1,300 years,” the report said. Greenhouse gases were very likely the dominant force driving up temperatures now, it said.

The panel, made up of hundreds of scientists, releases its assessment of the data and science on climate change every five years.

Temperature rise was likely to be responsible for a wide range of natural phenomena that are already being observed around the world, the panel’s report concluded, including rising sea levels, melting ice caps and an increase in the frequency of severe storms.

If temperature rise is not reined in, and particularly if it exceeds 2 to 3 degrees Celsius, the scientists warned, the world could face massive species extinctions, widespread starvation as crops failed in hotter, drier climates, and a relentless rise in sea levels that would permanently drown some small island states.

“If we do not act now, climate change will increase the number of hungry people in the world," said Jacques Diouf, director general of the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, who is in Bali this week.

Under varying scenarios, the intergovernmental panel’s report said that temperatures could rise between 1.1 and 6.4 degrees Celsius by the end of the century. Many climatologists believe that an increase of about 2 degrees is inevitable, even if man-made carbon emissions were controlled quickly, because of the time lag before such actions will have an effect.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/world/14climate.html?ex=1355288400&en=...

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Bali Bulletin: Dramatic Final Hours

Chica, thought you and everyone might like to see this. Like Coralina, I think it is valuable to see other countries' input.

The following is a brief summary of the main events of these talks (from an email received from Environmental Defense). I will post more on this later when the full report is available.

By Peter Goldmark, Program Director, Climate and Air, Environmental Defense:

6:20 pm Friday evening: A deal is reached on RED (Reducing Emissions from Deforestation)

6:40 pm: China and the E.U. reach agreement on Technology Transfer, which puts pressure on everyone else to come along.

8:15 pm: Our Russian connection reports that Russia continues to agree to nothing.

9:10 pm: Rum begins to flow at the Caribbean party down the hall from our post.

11:15 pm: We receive word that talks among the ministers have completely fallen apart.

11:25 pm: Key ministers meet again in private. Small Island States break out the liquor and put up a sign that says: "We Are Drowning Our Sorrows Before We Drown."

3:00 am Saturday: Informal ministerial meetings break to allowing time for consultations with capitals. Announcement that plenary will resume in morning.

3:30 am: Environmental Defense team goes back to hotel to sleep.

7:00 am: Environmental Defense teams arrives in Convention Center to secure "base" positions inside and immediately outside Plenary Hall. New draft text distributed by conference secretariat.

9:00 am: Jim Connaughton of White House summons U.S. NGOs to describe the U.S. position. He says the U.S. reached a compromise with E.U. and has support of Japan, Canada and Russia on new draft text.

10:00 am: India indicates it has problems with the draft. G-77 (a group of about 130 developing countries) recesses to discuss their varying degrees of unhappiness.

10 am to 1 pm: Informal meetings among ministers.

1:15 pm: Plenary session reconvenes. President of Indonesia and UN Secretary-General Ban K-Moon lecture the delegates on importance of coming to agreement. China chastises Secretary-General of UNFCCC for allowing scheduling of two meetings simultaneously to interfere with orderly progress of meeting. Secretary-General, who is exhausted, breaks down and leaves meeting. There follows one of the most extraordinary sessions of an international negotiation any of us have ever seen.

India presents a new text stating how the undertaking of developing countries to participate in the preparation of a global plan of carbon limits will be formulated, which has been arrived at b the G-77 in their caucus. The U.S. rejects it.

All this happens without any scripting or planning, in open session, on the floor, with NGOs and press filling the sides and back of the room.

One by one countries and blocs rise to support India. South Africa. Papua New Guinea asks the U.S. to lead or get out of the way. China. The EU. The Small Island States. One by one they rise to ask the U.S. to yield to the new language. Frankly, the new language is not sensational, but it represents for the first time the entry of the developing countries together into the global preparation of a plan for carbon limits, and it is their language. Canada is silent. Japan speaks, and no one can figure out what they mean, possibly including themselves. Not one voice among 190 countries is raised in support of the U.S.

3:10 pm: The pressure is like a huge, crushing weight in the room. And finally the U.S. asks for the floor - and yields. the room bursts into wild applause, and the Bali Roadmap is adopted.

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update

Thank you for the update Sun! I have read on Sunday that they have reached an agreement to which US had to yield, but the events described in this time table are far more detailed and lets you see the importance of that agreement, as I can see that it took a lot for the 190 countries to stand together against US. I don't really see why US had to be forced, in a way, into this. why it is so hard for the American government and politicians (including corporate America) to commit to doing something good for this planet, as they all start now "advertising" themselves as green this and green that ?! (beside the fact that they all say they will lose money)

Nonetheless, to be frank I was happy when I read that US finally yielded :)

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good update

Thanks Chica for the update on the latest environmental talks ~ It's important to know what the speakers of the different countries are saying and also the scientist latest observations about these vital global issues...species extinction's, climate change, hunger in the world and so much more ~